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Poster: lurker Date: Nov 9, 2007 4:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: lurkers

What have you guys got against all us lurkers? We're only here to pick up advice, nuggets and gems from the experts.
I'll bet most of us love The Dead but don't know enough to join in.
Personally I'm to young and geographically removed to have ever seen the dead. My girl gave me The Golden Road box set one christmas and since then I`ve been hooked. I check this forum out 'cause all you guys (Dire, William Tell, Hollow etc....) know what you are on about, but I'm scared to join in 'cause if you decice you don't like someone you rip 'em apart.
I hereby declare that I have all Dead recorded work, Ace and a few Jerry albums; I listen to shows on the archive on a regular basis. They are my favourite band by a mile but I've never seen them live.......compared to you lot I know nothing.
In short give us guys a break, we only lurk to learn.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 9, 2007 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Welcome indeed, and thanks for the kind words. The regulars will be happy to have you around; posts such as this one, others about music or not, will largely be enjoyed, occasionaly ignored, but rarely attacked unless someone feels offended, or is by nature a "flamer" to begin with (not typical).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 9, 2007 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Careful with the use of the term "flamer". Can be interpreted in a very non-PC way. Besides, I think this dress sets off my eyes very nicely, thank you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 9, 2007 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

This is funny--while you were writing this I was writing the IQ post...small minds think alike.

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Poster: svengun Date: Nov 9, 2007 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

SDH - nice dress but don't you think that hem line is a little too short even for you? I've seen short dresses befor but you're makin me ver uncomfortable :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 9, 2007 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Yeah, frankly, I prefer him in a nice pants suit. Especially when I am crawling around behind him when the lights go out around here...yuck.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

The word "disturbing" does not do this justice.

Some guy asked me for some spare change earlier. I smacked him. Pervert.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Maybe he was a Jefferson Airplane fan and you misheard his spelling.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

hey Rob. Just wanted to let you know that someone here got you very obscure reference that I'm willing to bet got lost on some.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

John - it's good to know there's someone here you can rely on.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

ditto my fellow smart ass with good taste in music friend : )

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Poster: svengun Date: Nov 9, 2007 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Well Mr. Tell - you're a braver man than I am, I aint crawlin' around behind anybody!

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Poster: Stealz Date: Nov 9, 2007 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Welcome. Hope you stick around. What you do or don't have to contribute is beside the point. You're here and that's what counts. Eventually something will come up (or maybe it won't) that you'll feel confident posting about. Either way, a community isn't a community without members, both silent and loud.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

This place is a really fun sandbox, but some cats use it as a litter box. Every post by an ex-lurker is one less spam/BS post by the retard club.

Welcome home! Let's talk GD.

We'd all love to know your favorite year, show, song, band member, venue.......

Once we know what you like we can help you find the goods.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

in the meantime, please take a seat in the back of the bus.

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Poster: svengun Date: Nov 9, 2007 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Lurker,

I haven't been here very long either probably about 6 months or so. For me it's just about the best place on earth to find awesome sounding live dead recordings. As far as this board goes, it can be alot of fun and a great place for both asking and reading suggestions for shows and songs to listen to. I've listened to a bunch of tunes and shows from some of the suggestions I've read here and I really enjoy it. You will, from time to time, see some dumb stuff on this board but like SomeDarkHollow suggests, take the good with the bad, have a sense of humor, follow the golden rule, and you'll enjoy your time here. Welcome aboard!

Rob

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Nov 9, 2007 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Hi Lurker, welcome aboard!

For one sweet show recommendation each week, I will kick anyone's ass that messes with you on here ; ) -- Hell, I'd do it for free.

Please let me know if you have any burning questions on the Dead or Jerry, I am a regular on here and just earned my Masters in GD Culture and Gratefulness.

Also, let me know if you need any kind shows. SDH usualy sends out his entire hard drive to lurkers every second thursday of every fifteenth month and that's of course, when mercury's in retrograde.

jopeoms {at} the HottestMailintheworld

PS. You should get out and see the red hot Phil and Friends and Ratdog with Steve Kimock. Lord knows it's not the Dead, but, for what we love, it's the best thing around.

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Poster: swamprabbit Date: Nov 9, 2007 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

I too am generally a lurker. I have relied heavily on this forum and site reviews for information on good shows, etc. I usually enjoy reading the posts. However, I have always been more interested in the music than the "scene." Just as people would inexplicably pay money to attend a show and then talk through the entire thing - some who frequent this site are more interested in bashing the opinions of others and talking about unrelated topics like baseball. I'm not really complaining - I guess folks can do what they want - I just tend to ingnore this meaningless dribble. So welcome to all from a fellow "lurker." My best advice on dealing with the assholes who sometimes plague this site(and most other online discussion forums) is to ignore them. They are looking to put a bee in your bonnet and will become bored if no one pays attention! From what I have seen most people here are friendly and will treat you with respect.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Nov 9, 2007 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Welcome,
I don't post much for not wanting to step in the contents of the adolescent sandbox, but you're in a good place to learn. Just don't take the windbags too seriously. Notice that you'll often get a different crowd here in the forum space compared to many of the comments you'll see in the Archive itself. There's some good folks to read there as well( I'm thinking Liam, Rollandfin, Flashback, et al). I like the encouragement to go see a Phil show. It's definately not a Greatful Dead show, but it is fun and the music is there. For the best feel of how it used to be.. Ill say it- go see Dark Star Orchestra in a small venue. That will give you a real clue, and their female singer can really sing!

Ask for McNally's book for Christmas this year if you want to know more than you need to- I got it for 6 bucks in the bargain bin earlier this year and got a few nice posts out of it!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 9, 2007 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Rollandfin was always one of my fav reviewers....that guy has impeccable taste.:)

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Poster: skybob1 Date: Nov 9, 2007 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Thank you eveyone who replied. I'd love to see a Phil show but geography prevents it. I went to see Ryan Adams on the back of him being a "friend",(nice Stella Blue).
Favourite show at the moment is 1972-09-28, I love that huge Other One, Phil is outstanding. Having played bass when I was a kid I love listening to Phil when he's having a good night. Anyone recommend some good Phil moments?

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 9, 2007 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

remember there is no hierarchy here. we are all equals, don't feel intimidated by anyone. we're never done learning what we don't yet know. just don't go multiposting with a new name every 3 minutes like some folks do. peace!

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 9, 2007 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

feel free... to freak freely!

when I first posted here, moments after first visiting, I was all over the teensy keyboard with a ham fist.

members and the now absent moderator jumped all over me, one member even led a campaign to "squelch cream-puff",
needless to say, I started getting better at typos and the interplay warmed up pretty quick.

Welcome!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 9, 2007 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Lurker, first off welcome and I, for one, am very glad that you have decided to make the jump to posting. I was in your exact same situation before I entered the fray. I read the forum for many months before taking a deep breath, and making my first post, beginning a journey that, for better or worse, continues to take up an unhealthy amount of my time. Please know that I will NEVER speak harsh words to any poster that comes into the fold with good intentions and honest opinions. What you may or may not know about the Dead is completely irrelevant. What matters is not knowledge, but integrity. If you want to post about the Dead, with a question or a show opinion, fantastic; but if you would rather throw up something completely unrelated, but non-antagonistic, fantastic as well. Any and all are welcome here. People here are almost always treated as the choose to treat others. So, keep 'em coming and don't hesitate to make yourself known; never think that just because you might not be able to whip out the complete set list from every show in 1969 means you don't have anyting valuable to say here.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-11-09 14:33:15

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 9, 2007 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Welcome lurkers. I must admit I did not lurk very long before finding I had to respond to a post. And I have never had any real issues until the William Tell "Who do you picture" thread the other day when I got pegged with Woody Allen

:)

Thanks Will ;)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Hey Lurker,

I completely understand how you feel. I lurked for almost two years before i started posting and when asked by one of the regular forumites why I waited so long, I responded that I did not believe that I had anything to add to the discussion about the band. Well there is so much to learn about this band everyone can add something to the discussion. Maybe you have heard a show or something in a show that someone else hasn't yet. My first post I asked for reccomendations for versions of Comes A Time. People here love to share info about their favorite shows or versions of a song. By generating lists like that you not only help the other lurkers but many of the people who post. So by asking questions you often add more to this place then any other kind of post. Maybe lots of people have the same questions as you.

As for seeing shows, I only saw 3 and there are other posters here who are much too young to have seen any but no one would question what Max Chorak adds to this place.

Finally I don't think anyone ever gets flamed for serious posts about the band or references to Direwolf's leanings toward bovines of the opposite sex. Feel free to hop aboard.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 9, 2007 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Hey elbow, I didn't know that about you. I find that funny because you say PLENTY of good stuff of value, you've contributed much around here. Good thing you got over whatever your hesitation was about ( which I can't see why ).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

contributed something of value??? elbow??? are you kidding me???

he is a total waste product who doesnt know his friggin throat from his sphincter. he is nothing but a fuckin tool.







hi larry :) lol

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 9, 2007 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Well in fact I do know my throat from my sphincter, however that does not seem to matter as plenty of shit still seems to come out of my mouth!!

Hey Don :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

why don't you spend more time at bovinematch.com talking heat stove bosox crap with some heiffer and leave this place to the grownups? Jesus H. Christ - move out of your mom's basement already.


asshole.....

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/208357/10_essential_rem_videos_on_youtube.html





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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

wow - that was harsh - sorry if i pissed you off = wasnt my intent

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

I really hope you know I was joking - and was trying to make sure you noticed I was posting REM clips for your perusal...

Damn sarcasm and irony gets lost on the keyboard - so, I guess I didn't do anything to scare away a lurker, did I?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

hey - I'll take them if he doesn't want them - I love REM.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

their website has a good selection at the video link:

http://remhq.com/index.php

From what I've heard of snippets of the new album, for which they had the 5 nights of live rehearsal in Dublin last summer, they may be making quite a comeback next year. As Mills recently commented, it might be ok to like REM again.

I consider myself lucky in the sense that they were my neighborhood band in high school (Atlanta area) and then college (NC)- they were the opening act for many others and I watched them transition from small clubs (hole in the wall places) to stadiums over the years. They really built, to a large extent, a lot of the college radio and club circuit in the southeast (along with a handful of others) in the early to mid-80s. While they may have lost a bit of studio direction after Bill Berry left, Live they are still a great act.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 4:06pm
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Around the Sun was really something of a disappointment and I'm looking forward to hearing how some of the songs sound on the live album because apparently they come to life in live performance, if that doesn't sound like a dumb thing to say.

I can envy you seeing REM from the early days. I remenber someone at work waved a copy of Murmur at me and said 'you've got to hear this'. I was hooked from there on.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 9, 2007 4:21pm
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how could that comment sound dumb on a dead forum? isn't that what happened with almost all their tunes?

But it is true - a lot of the recent studio stuff really takes on a new life live. FWIW, I thought New Adventures In Hi Fi was one of their best, and I like the fact the songs were written and recorded live pretty much during the Monster tour. Nice to see they were taking that approach of trying out new stuff on their audience...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 9, 2007 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Thank you JOTS for those kind words. For the record the forumite that asked me about why it took so long and encouraged me to post more was our cow-lovin furball Dire. Now I must go respond in kind to the post where he refers to me as feces.

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Poster: lurker Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:29am
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thank you elbow

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 12:17pm
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oh sure Larry!!! reference me right off the bat in THAT way!!! what a pal.

;)

by the way, i'm looking for a new bovine since apparently my last one committed suicide from jumping off a cliff. she sucked at oral sex anyways - so no big loss.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Hey Dire - when it comes to oral sex sucking is what it's all about - blow job is just a euphemism. Maybe that's where things were going wrong for you. I hope this helps.

Your friend, the wordsmith.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

geee - you are the light in the tunnel

thanks so much


;)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: lurkers

Well you know that's another thing - she might have been upset if you were trying to shine a light up her tunnel. You didn't lose your watch in there did you?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 3:49pm
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hopin not

watch is still on my wrist

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:28am
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Hey lurker, I prove I know nothing on a daily basis, but I pick up tons of stuff from others and every now and then throw something in the stew to give it a different flavor. As far as specifically commenting on the Dead and their music, as a non-musician (really failed musician who didn't stick with it back in high school - never too late), I subscribe to the dancing about architecture school of rock criticism. But I do know what I like - and right now I'm enjoying another fun from '79 thanks to an SDH recommend (he's the guy with the smelly shoes from Richmond in '85). Lurk or jump in - either way, you'll get a lot out of this place (and way beyond just learning about our favorite group)

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Poster: abilene22 Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:32am
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Lurkers unite!

I've been very blessed to have seen many shows from 74 to 91 and yet I don't think I've anything substantial to add to the conversation. So, much like you I mostly sit back and take it all in. Been lurking for more than a year now, and at first I thought this place was a little cliquish but I've come to realise that most of the folks here are genuine and very helpful. Sure, you have to wade through some BS now and then, but if you love the Dead there's no better place to be.

Welcome!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 9, 2007 7:55am
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Greetings lurker.
I don’t think you’ll find that any of the good people around here have anything against those who would rather just read the posts. It’s really up to you when or if you want to join in. I complete endorse what my good friends SomeDarkHollow and William Tell have to say. If you can bring the sort of good humoured integrity those guys have to the party you’ll be doing well. You can pretty soon find your feet around here and carve out an identity for yourself. I mean you’d hardly recognise me from the shrinking violet I was a year ago when I first took a dip into the dark waters of the forum. And if you’re overawed by somebody’s seeming knowledge and certainty just remember that all we really know for sure is that the Grateful Dead played a certain song on a certain day at a certain place – after that it’s down to you and how you feel about it. Just because everybody else says a particular performance of a song was The Best (and in truth that’s a very unlikely scenario) you are under no obligation to agree. And you know, we might just enjoy hearing why you don’t.

Just one other thought. If you stick around you’ll probably want to change your name, because you won’t be a lurker anymore. But then that’ll make you a multi-poster, and oh boy, then are you going to be in trouble…

Welcome aboard the bus, buddy. Enjoy the ride.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 9, 2007 12:19pm
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hey man - we got nothing against lurkers, just multiposters and assholes.

oh, wait a minute..... i'm an asshole - so just multiposters.

come join the fun man - you can talk about anything you want.... GD, JGB, other jam bands, or just funny bullshit that most of us post from time to time.

dont just lurk - join - we will all be glad to have you here!!!

don

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Poster: northstar dead Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:07am
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Nice to hear from you.

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Poster: lurker Date: Nov 9, 2007 5:15am
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thank you

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:54am
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honestly Lurker, 90% of what's posted has nothing to do with knowledge, it's more about passion and interpretation. So jump on in and contribute! The other 10% of the knowledege is indeed covered by some very clever folks who can answer questions about the history of the band, ect.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Nov 9, 2007 10:14am
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Stepping up to the hack circle can be intimidating when you aren’t very good at it. But you soon learn that the game is more fun for everyone when there are more people playing. There is always someone who is better, but that’s not what it’s all about. It’s about hanging together and sharing your points of view. The bouncing hack [Grateful Dead] is what brought everyone together, the common interest, but there is more to people than that.

Resistance is futile - you will be assimilated